How To Build A Voip Network

Reply from ianplain on Apr 29, 2009 - 09:24 AM

Hi

My life is too short to spend any more of it dealing with Telcom down there in SA.

Ian

Reply from Charl on Apr 29, 2009 - 09:27 AM

I'd offer shares rather than money up front. If you are part of it and benifit from its growth then your more likely to put more in

As I said it's untouched here, (targeting a specific target market). If you would be intrested I will drop u a PM with more a detailed explanation of what country/s and the current situation here.

"My life is too short to spend any more of it dealing with Telcom down there in SA. "

What Telcom did you deal with here if i may ask?

Reply from ianplain on Apr 29, 2009 - 09:47 AM

Hi

I have a customer in Cape Town and dealing with Telkom makes trying to buy your soul back from the Devil seem like an easier option than getting work done by them.

Is the Telecoms market deregulated in SA yet? Im not sure. you will need to check what licences you need before you do anything.

Also due to the way SA is connected to the rest of the world and the cost of Broadband makes VOIP in SA a very expensive option.

Ian

Reply from Charl on Apr 29, 2009 - 10:04 AM

Here's a acticle you might want to read

http://www.dataweek.co.za/article.aspx? ... egoryId=31

"I have a customer in Cape Town" Yet no one even knows about this guy/company. Not one billboard add or tv commercial.

And telkom's the biggest lol. For them to fix my phone line took 2months. Applying for a adsl line takes 3 month from order to instalation. Plain and simple, they dont give a **** because there's no competition. Neotel recently launched here yet they are in the same possition as telkom, being majority government "owned". They and any new telecom provider dont have much say.

We need a revalation here, and the ppl that have tried aren't taking the right approuch.

"Also due to the way SA is connected to the rest of the world and the cost of Broadband makes VOIP in SA a very expensive option."

Local connectivity is relativly cheap now in comparison to our local calls.

*i think i got abit lost towards the end of the post, if im unclear let me know.

*and apologies if im hi-jacking deans greath thread here, if need be please relocate it

Reply from dean on Apr 29, 2009 - 10:57 AM

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The tutorial is over 2 years old now and was woundering if there have been any revolutions in the area or a updated tut?

Yes, it is a bit out of date now and does need an update. Funnily enough I was thinking about that this last week. I'll get around to it. Not much has changed in terms of overall concepts, but I think certain software developments, and also business developments and change in economy have had some impacts and are worth referencing in an update.

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I'd offer shares rather than money up front.

Shares are worth zero without a valuation on the business. For me that would be influenced by investment in the business (the companies cash position) and the overall vision and board members. If there's a solid vision based on good quality market research and the right management team in place to execute that vision via a suitable budget, then you might get some interest.

If the company has less than an appropriate budget in the bank to execute the vision and less than 2 big players in the S.A. Telecom space on the board then I would think it's too much of a punt for anyone here to want to be involved.

To be honest the engineering is the easy bit. That's the main takeaway from this thread, and that hasn't changed.

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We need a revalation here, and the ppl that have tried aren't taking the right approuch.

Well if you feel you have the right approach then you have a vision, which is the starting point. Now you need funding and you will need some big hitters on your board. Those are the people that will make the business happen, not the engineers.

Reply from Charl on Apr 29, 2009 - 01:49 PM

My vision doesn't differ much from yours dean:

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with the crazy idea that a community self-funding telco network, with a view to shaping and assisting the development of the VoIP space, might actually work

Providing 'the poeple' with a service that is to benifet the people, for the people by the people. They wont have need to turn else where.

Most people jump in for the money, but if thats all your in it for you wont get far. Say a bussiness could offer a free service whilst being able to generating revenue from alternative means, to cover initial costs, and once covered, the profit used for the improvement and growth of the service. This is the Telecom network I would work towards, even if in the end some corparate giant takes the innitiative to move forward, disregarding their proffit margin for a second based on an existing system that works due to blind-sighting the puplic.

Well then atleast I started the transition.

Reply from dean on Apr 29, 2009 - 02:20 PM

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My vision doesn't differ much from yours dean

Then execute. I would just go for it - go buy a server (nothing else) and install openSER/Kamailio and an RTP proxy. Get some softphones and start experimenting.

If you need help to get that far, to be honest I would look at philanthropic opportunities elsewhere. Something that you can self-start.

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Most people jump in for the money, but if thats all your in it for you wont get far.

Your share options offer would be far more attractive if you were a money-grabbing so and so to be honest . At least that way there would be a chance of getting paid for the work and effort put in somewhere down the line. Even then it's only a chance, and relies entirely on a decent budget and management team as mentioned. And if you're not out and about racing around doing deals and raising money, what is your input to the business?

We managed to execute on the vision that we had only because we were able to do it all ourselves. If we had to get help from other people for expertise, it probably would not have happened.

If you want to go the philanthropic route, go with what you know and can do without external help.

Reply from nintendo1889 on Jul 30, 2009 - 07:12 AM

If I wanted to build a service that supports unlimited calls to another (single) country (prepaid, probably), couldn’t I just put an Asterisk pbx in my country and that country? Or would it require the 2500pound price tag in each country? Why can't I just support one feature, calls originating and terminating both ways?

The original posts aims for the mass market. But you've got to start small, and build out things over time, so as to be battle tested. You've got to find the small market profitable niche user and avoid the get-rich-quick money grab going in. See here for the example of nufone,
http://www.jeremy-mcnamara.com/2009/03/ ... to-nufone/

Reply from dean on Jul 30, 2009 - 09:02 AM

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If I wanted to build a service that supports unlimited calls to another (single) country (prepaid, probably), couldn’t I just put an Asterisk pbx in my country and that country?

Sure you could.

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Why can't I just support one feature, calls originating and terminating both ways?

You could. Most consumers demand more from their service providers in my experience, but it's a valid model from a technical perspective. I don't think you could build a business on it only because customers expect more (and you'd be competing head to head with Skype).

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