PAP2 and PAP2T

Hi guys

what is the difference between the Linksys PAP2 and the PAP2T? Is the any difference or is it just an unlock/lock version?

Yes, there are differences. Tha PAP2T has twice the PAP2 memory. PAP2T supports 2 G729 simultaneous calls and PAP2 doesn't.

Juan C.

jcgalvezv :

Yes, there are differences. Tha PAP2T has twice the PAP2 memory. PAP2T supports 2 G729 simultaneous calls and PAP2 doesn't. Juan C.

I seriously doubt that the PAP2 does not support 2 G729 simultaneous calls since we have them setup that way in over 20 callshops.

Reeso :

I seriously doubt that the PAP2 does not support 2 G729 simultaneous calls since we have them setup that way in over 20 callshops.

Can you please tell us how do you configure your PAP2 to handle two simultaneous G729 calls?

I just received one. Looks identical to PAP2-NA, but with differences.

1. Plain white package with only a sticker on the box. Accessories are one piece of Quick installation, power adapter, and a ethernet cable. No more CD and Product Registration card.
2. LEDs colour changed to green.
3. Back connection panel colour also changed to green.
4. Cannot stand up. Can only flatly lay on desk. No detachable small parts any more! Maybe overheat in Summer. (Sorry for my English)
5. Firmware version and size seems the same as original PAP2 but with lower version and older release date. (Newest is 3.1.10LSc Feb 2006)
6. When making calls and opening web configuration pages at the same time, pages are slow to open, just like the PAP2. That means CPU speed is same to PAP2?
7. Tried to force both lines to use g729. But actually when first call is in g729, another line will switch to g711u automatically. So still one g729 session.
8. Still 10Mbps half-duplex ethernet.

Above all, I conclude that PAP2T-NA is a simplified or low price version of PAP2-NA. Just like WPA54G and WPA54GC. If you need two g729 sessions, go for spa2100 or spa2102. If you are going to buy two PAP2, I suggest linksys spa400. Because of the power adapter design, it is impossible to plug two of them onto one power board.

bennyzhou :

1. Plain white package with only a sticker on the box. Accessories are one piece of Quick installation, power adapter, and a ethernet cable. No more CD and Product Registration card.

This is bad and sounds like there is no warranty on the device.

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2. LEDs colour changed to green.

This is what exactly shown on the picture of the specs of a PAP2T.

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4. Cannot stand up. Can only flatly lay on desk.

I believe this is the worst thing to have! Considering the case design with sides vent is based on a PAP2 design but without the vertical stand, this device will easily acummulate the heat and render the unit unusable (this is what has happened to the DLink DVG-1402S VoIP router). BTW, the specs on a PAP2 doesn't even mention the package comes with a vertical stand, yet every PAP2 unit sold on the market does come with the vertical stand. Perhaps, Linksys has forgotten to include this in the package.

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5. Firmware version and size seems the same as original PAP2 but with lower version and older release date. (Newest is 3.1.10LSc Feb 2006)

I reckon there will be some hackers out there who are willing to sacrify their PAP2 units to test run with this firmware and see if the firmware will be able to completely unlock a PAP2.

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6. When making calls and opening web configuration pages at the same time, pages are slow to open, just like the PAP2. That means CPU speed is same to PAP2?

I would say YMMV here.

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7. Tried to force both lines to use g729. But actually when first call is in g729, another line will switch to g711u automatically. So still one g729 session.

Hmm, I was under an impression that this PAP2T can easily support two concurrent G729 compressed calls.

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8. Still 10Mbps half-duplex ethernet.

A 10Mbps half-duplex is more than needed to support four concurrent VoIP calls based on G711 CoDecs (a total of < 500Kbps). There is no need to waste unless a 10Mbps chip is more expensive than a 100Mbps chip from a manufacturing point of view.

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Above all, I conclude that PAP2T-NA is a simplified or low price version of PAP2-NA. Just like WPA54G and WPA54GC. If you need two g729 sessions, go for spa2100 or spa2102. If you are going to buy two PAP2, I suggest linksys spa400. Because of the power adapter design, it is impossible to plug two of them onto one power board.

Anyway, if you really want to make a comparison, perhaps to include the hardware specs for both PAP2T and PAP2. This way, it will be clear to the points for all readers to see. BTW, is the above post a dejavue as shown here, here , and here (needs to login)? Oops, they all seem to be from the same poster with the same identical contents.

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BTW, the specs on a PAP2 doesn't even mention the package comes with a vertical stand, yet every PAP2 unit sold on the market does come with the vertical stand. Perhaps, Linksys has forgotten to include this in the package.

Not true. Even you have the vertical stand, it is impossible to fit to PAP2T because of the simplified design.

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Anyway, if you really want to make a comparison, perhaps to include the hardware specs for both PAP2T and PAP2. This way, it will be clear to the points for all readers to see. BTW, is the above post a dejavue as shown here, here , and here (needs to login)? Oops, they all seem to be from the same poster with the same identical contents.

I did that because I used google to find the difference between pap2 & pap2t. Just type "pap2t g729" in google, you will find a lot of misleading information indicates that pap2t is better than pap2. I found I was a victim of those because I have two pap2-na already, so I can compare them with pap2t-na. What I did is to give others a view from whom actually has used pap2t. There are choices from pap2 and pap2t on market. Usually pap2t will more expensive. People need to know how the extra money is worth.

I have put some pics on yahoo groups. Just have a look on the PAP2T-NA I bought.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Linksys_PAP2T

bennyzhou :

Quote: BTW, the specs on a PAP2 doesn't even mention the package comes with a vertical stand, yet every PAP2 unit sold on the market does come with the vertical stand. Perhaps, Linksys has forgotten to include this in the package. Not true. Even you have the vertical stand, it is impossible to fit to PAP2T because of the simplified design.

If you read my statement you quoted above, it clearly stated the stand for a PAP2 and not PAP2T. I have opened/unlocked so many Linksys/Vonage locked PAP2 units and have yet to find any mention on such a stand for a PAP2. As a matter of fact, the PAP2 quick installation pamphlet never mentions anything about assembling the PAP2 with the stand. So, can you please point to me where I can find any statement on a PAP2 package that says a PAP2 package contents includes a PAP2 stand?

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I did that because I used google to find the difference between pap2 & pap2t. Just type "pap2t g729" in google, you will find a lot of misleading information indicates that pap2t is better than pap2.

If your claims are correct, then you are right that those information found on a google search with these strings pap2t g729 are kind of misleading.

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I found I was a victim of those because I have two pap2-na already, so I can compare them with pap2t-na. What I did is to give others a view from whom actually has used pap2t. There are choices from pap2 and pap2t on market. Usually pap2t will more expensive. People need to know how the extra money is worth.

Sorry to hear such a bad news. Until more PAP2T owners will come forward to reinstate your claims, particularly in regards to a PAP2T is not able to perform a concurrent of two calls on a G729 CoDec, I hope you are right in this matter. If I were you, I would just return the package to the vendor where I bought this device from. I hope you bought this from a local store; otherwise, you will have to pay for the S/H charges to ship out the package.

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I have put some pics on yahoo groups. Just have a look on the PAP2T-NA I bought. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Linksys_PAP2T

The box looks weird. Usually, a Linksys package comes in a shinny blue sleeve-skin box.