Gizmo Project and Bonjour

Reply from rsp on Sep 10, 2005 - 11:15 PM

ocumo :

But then, during the installation, and very quietly, the application tried to connect to the Internet: to the servers 224.0.0.251 and 217.237.150.141 using the protocol UDP and then IGMP. Using dslreports "whois", I found that the first server is aparently assigned to Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA), 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 Marina del Rey CA 90292-6695 US The second belongs to RIPE Network Coordination Centre (RIPE), P.O. Box 10096 Amsterdam

224.0.0.251 is a multicast address (so has not been assigned for 'normal' internet use by IANA), so dependant upon your provider even supporting it, it may as well have zilch effect. 217.237.150.141 has been assigned by RIPE to Deutsche Telekom AG, and happens to be one of T-Online's proxy servers. Could it be that that is your ISP?

Reply from LouisC on Sep 11, 2005 - 12:10 AM

nah my internet service provider is bt (live in the uk)
Louis

Reply from gkrall on Sep 11, 2005 - 05:12 AM

eMartin who works on the Gizmo Project,

The software you pointed to on the ftp site appears to kill the mDNSResponder.exe process. But it does not appear to "unistall" anything. My experience has been that upon reboot the process restarts and I needed to run your little application to kill it each time--I am thinking now about a startup script that will do this for me. I noticed that the /Bonjour directory is still in the Program files and the 2 dlls and exe's are still there.

So perhaps you can shed some more specific light on this. Do I need to manually unregister DLLs and are there some Registry keys I need to diddle with. Why is there not a proper InstallShield application that allows me to remove this from the computer?

I want this stuff off my computer - I'm really bummed that it was packaged with iTunes 5 without any specific information on the Apple site unless one goes to some obscure page already referenced above - or searching Google after Zone Alarm/MSFT Anti-Spyware popped up and warned me during the install process. What most annoys me is that I was not given the option to choose whether or not to install it! Based on the discription of the functionality I do not have a need for it in my environment and any process that does not allow for proper removal IMHO is simply bad software engineering.

Thanks,

Gary.

Reply from LouisC on Sep 11, 2005 - 07:27 PM

right you can disable this peice of s*** through msconfig and then forget about it !!! Well theres no need to run there stupid .exe file which claims to 'Uninstall' when all it does is kill the process. Im so hacked off i spent all of my saturday trying to find out what caused my network troubles and can not express what i would do if i got hold of the guy whos smart idea it was to bundle software (like those idiots do with spyware and adware) into iTunes of all things. Ive noticed that my itunes music sharing has dissapeard perhaps this has something realted to this function ??

Reply from bozo on Sep 12, 2005 - 09:19 PM

If using Windows XP...

start -> run -> type 'cmd' to bring up a command prompt
type 'sc stop "Bonjour Service"' (include the double quotes but not the single ones!)
type 'sc delete "Bonjour Service"'

Job done.

(sc.exe is microsoft-supplied tool for configuring services)

Reply from ocumo on Sep 12, 2005 - 11:43 PM

Quote:

224.0.0.251 is a multicast address (so has not been assigned for 'normal' internet use by IANA), so dependant upon your provider even supporting it, it may as well have zilch effect. 217.237.150.141 has been assigned by RIPE to Deutsche Telekom AG, and happens to be one of T-Online's proxy servers.

Regardless of what the IP numbers or "zilch" effect are, the question remains: what the hell are these connection for ?? Any process which connects to the internet without being directly instructed or authorized by me is definitely malware as far as I am concerned. It would be the exact equivalent to a stranger breaking into your home, mascarade as friend, and using your telephone and personal stuff without any authorization or knowledge from you.

All I wanted, was to play a stupid .mov file from my Firefox browser, so all I needed was a "missing plugin" that turned to be QuickTime.
So, OK, I decided to install QuickTime *ONLY*, end of the story!!

But now, I became another victim of this trick.

Why did I ended getting all that crap in my PC without being asked or informed? Why does it hide inside something else to appear inside my PC afterwards like a Trojan would do??

Why does it install in such malicious way, with high privileges and creating so much trouble to uninstall?

I don't want to have that in my PC. I don't want to have any application that violates my PC and my trust in such way. Today, that is probably not a crime. But some day in the future, that should be considered an international crime. I hope we, PC and internet users, some day make a strong lobby to local and international authorities to make laws against such abusive, intrusive behaviour. Today, the authorities are going after virus and worm developers. Some day in the future they might also go after anyone who invade and abuse so grotesquely our PCs. There has to be a hope. And we all have to complain, always, strongly.

There has to be a way of promoting good quality software that does not relay in cheating and playing suspicious games to spread. A good, decent software company does not act like that, and hires only good quality developers.

Law Makers of the World: This gross abuse has to have an end some day. Somebody please protect the PC users and not only the powerful software corporations.

And by the way, don't bother explaining how to disable the service. People already got that. We want the whole damn thing OUT of our PCs, with an explanation and apologies for all this.

Reply from viclyte on Sep 13, 2005 - 04:22 PM

I have a Dlink GS04T wireless router which stopped passing IP traffic over DSL after I installed iTunes 5 which bundled in this program.

Once stopping this MDNSRes.exe service as recommended in this thread I have to restart the router and it works again.

It took me a long while to work this one out so hope this is of use to anyone having a similar problem, which I expect will be a few.

Reply from LouisC on Sep 13, 2005 - 05:14 PM

i know exactly how you felt because of the simple reason that you do not expect this type of software to stop your router passing ip traffic, its mad, but im glad i posted that up now i was curious as to how mnay others would encounter the same problem as me... im sure there will be a few more... looks like just d-link then ??

Also anybody mind if i pass this link onto apple (mac) computers ??? perhaps they will stop taking us for fools eh ?? thought id ask first.

Reply from DarnTutin on Sep 13, 2005 - 09:01 PM

jimskipper :

mDNSResponder.exe is installed and used by Apple's iTunes software among other things.

iTunes 5 cannot unistall Bonjour if it is already there from a previous Gizmo install! Ti tries to start Gizmo Bonjour but cannot, install of iTunes fails, rolls back. Nothing happens.

Have to reinstall iTunes 4.9 - which doesnt use Bonjour (but it does use mDNSResponder probably).

Reply from DarnTutin on Sep 13, 2005 - 09:06 PM

emartin :

Hi all, I work on Gizmo Project. Let me clear up some things. mDNSResponder.exe is a Windows Service that is part of Bonjour. Bonjour (previously known as Rendezvous) was created by Apple: If you do not wish it installed, We posted an application here for you to download that will remove the Bonjour Windows Service from your system : http://gizmoproject.com/jasmine TurnOffBonjour.exe Thanks, emartin

Bonjour is not installed by iTunes 4.9
Although mDNSResponder.exe probably is.

The link you provided is acutally a program called "TurnOffBonjour.exe"
which does exactly that - turns the service off. It does not, as you tell us, uninstall anything. Why did you say that?

Reply from DarnTutin on Sep 13, 2005 - 09:15 PM

groucho :

The new Gizmo Project, which is touted at http://www.gizmoproject.com as superior to Skype, adds a new Bonjour Service to the Windows XP (or Windows 2000, or Windows NT) Services folder. This service starts automatically and runs a process named mDNSResponder.exe which cannot be ended by Windows Task Manager. Uninstalling the software does not remove the service. You can disable it, but not remove it from your system. And unless you disable and stop it, you will not be able to delete the Gizmo Project folder with the file mDNSResponder.exe in it.

Actually, the service is installed to start manually, not automatically, so it will obviously only start when you start Gizmo. The big problem with Bonjour is, ther is more than one version of it out there. iTunes 5 tries to install its own version, which fails in Windows installs. Gizmo's version is yet another, and will upon its installation, will kill and unload any other Bonjours present - which isnt so good for iTunes, is it?

Reply from kjcsb on Sep 14, 2005 - 04:15 AM

Installing iTunes 5.0 prevented all computers on my home network from resolving domain names. I could still access the Internet. My Internet connection is routed through a D-Link DSL-G604T/AU. To resolve this issue I did the following:
(Windows XP)
Start -> Programs -> Administrative Tools -> Services
Right click on Bonjour service
Click stop
Choose Startup Type Disabled
Click OK
Power the router off and on

Reply from LouisC on Sep 14, 2005 - 04:18 PM

anybody got a theory behind this service making D-link routers go funny ??

Reply from steveM84 on Sep 15, 2005 - 09:05 PM

bprib :

I agree. I find it completely appalling that MR says "No spyware, no p2p, no adware - nothing. No exceptions"...and then a developer on the project says "What Bonjour does for Gizmo is...sets up a P2P connection" You can't have it both ways. I am attempting to uninstall Gizmo and may never reinstall it...

Actually, if I am not mistaken, I think you CAN have it both ways. Because P2P has 2 meanings, one is Peer-To-Peer as in kazaa and the like. The other is Point-To-Point which is an overlay to the Internet Protocol and is useful if not essential in such things as VoIP communications.

Hope this clarifies things???

Reply from Cricketer on Sep 15, 2005 - 09:09 PM

I have also had similar problems after my son installed iTune 5.0 on his PC which is connected by wireless technology to a home network.After installation Nortons kept coming up with mDNSResponder.exe id attempting to access the internet. You could not block the access it just kept on trying. This also stopped internet access on the other PC on the network although the broadband line (BT) and the router (BT Voyager 2100) appeared to be working OK. I could just not work out what was happening until I found this forum. If the PC with iTune was turned off and the router rebooted I could access the internet on the remaining PC. As soon as the PC with iTune 5.0 was switched on I lost all internet connectivity. I have now removed (unistalled) iTunes completly re-booted the router and all seems OK. I have also re-installed a previous version of iTunes which is workig OK. Fingers crossed.

Thnaks for the information on this site. Much appreciated

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