VoIP User top 50 since January

The following is a list of call minutes VoIP User has routed via our community outbound service since January 2005.

I thought I'd post this up for curiosity sake. This is effectively our top 50 routed destinations, ordered by minutes.

Interesting to see the US feature quite heavily, just ahead of the UK. Europe is the overall winner though, by a margin. Don't underestimate the interest in VoIP in China though.

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+------------------------+----------+ | description            | Mins     | +------------------------+----------+ | USA                    | 61244.18 | | UK - national          | 60061.57 | | Poland                 | 17162.52 | | Germany                | 14821.60 | | Canada                 | 14684.37 | | Switzerland            |  8916.33 | | France                 |  8599.45 | | Switzerland Geneva     |  7440.08 | | Australia Melbourne    |  7141.67 | | Italy                  |  6788.95 | | Spain                  |  6063.45 | | France Paris Central   |  5732.52 | | China                  |  5125.40 | | Denmark                |  4603.55 | | China Guangzhou        |  4320.38 | | China Mobile           |  4270.88 | | Brazil São Paulo       |  4046.70 | | Belgium                |  4034.02 | | Israel Bethlehem       |  3880.15 | | Argentina Buenos Aires |  3731.83 | | Netherlands            |  3706.05 | | Australia Sydney       |  3449.32 | | Japan                  |  2999.85 | | Mexico Mexico City     |  2607.25 | | China Beijing          |  2520.33 | | Sweden                 |  2507.15 | | Italy Milan            |  2491.73 | | Argentina              |  2314.37 | | Belgium Brussels       |  2154.92 | | Norway                 |  2103.65 | | Portugal               |  1956.05 | | UK - freephone         |  1895.68 | | Denmark Copenhagen     |  1888.88 | | Ireland Dublin         |  1794.63 | | Greece                 |  1773.48 | | Bulgaria Sofia         |  1679.05 | | China Shanghai         |  1661.42 | | Greece Athens          |  1606.92 | | Australia              |  1603.60 | | Venezuela Caracas      |  1497.28 | | Hungary Budapest       |  1408.25 | | Israel                 |  1349.82 | | Spain Madrid           |  1310.78 | | China Zhengzhou        |  1250.02 | | Israel Tel Aviv        |  1176.47 | | Israel Eliat           |  1140.00 | | China Baoan Xian       |  1115.07 | | Hungary                |  1071.02 | | Switzerland Zurich     |  1019.65 | | Brazil Rio de Janeiro  |  1017.32 | +------------------------+----------+

On a side note, in total this is about £5,000 worth of phone calls. I think that's a real achievement for all involved.

Reply from dean on Jun 03, 2005 - 10:28 AM

I checked this against our website logfiles and the demographic of our members and users. Unsurprisingly, they're an almost perfect match.

What does this mean? Well, it means that our members (some 8,000 of you in all) don't make many international calls. Most of you are making phone calls within your own country.

What does that say about VoIP? Not much beyond what we've already been talking about anyway - VoIP is not a cheap bucket-call-shop phone replacement service (the traditional cut price telecoms companies made their money on international routing). You're using it to test out your asterisk boxes, re-routing facilities, voicemail to email etc.

I've always felt that VoIP is about adding value to telephony, not cutting prices. These facts and figures certainly don't seem to me to contradict that.

Dean

Reply from dean on Jun 03, 2005 - 11:36 AM

Some comment on this by James Enck

Mapping VoIP - another perspective

James also pointed out to me that Poland is the third most "Skype-ified" Country in the World, which certainly fits in with our own figures.

Reply from mazilo on Jun 03, 2005 - 01:28 PM

dean :

What does this mean? Well, it means that our members (some 8,000 of you in all) don't make many international calls. Most of you are making phone calls within your own country.

That said, when the call has been established, does the traffic still route through your server or just P2P between the caller and the termination provider? If it is the later one, that explains why, i.e. almost no latency.

Reply from dean on Jun 03, 2005 - 02:13 PM

Hi Mazi,

No, it's not a latency issue. This is from the level 3 backbone. All the peering gateways are on similar standard networks.

You might have some latency issues if you call someone in China from the UK, for example, peer to peer both using an ADSL line, or a dial-up connection.

That's not the case on these figures. These are all calls established level 3 to PSTN or level 3 to level 3 (or similar).

Dean

Reply from heinz57g on Sep 24, 2005 - 12:38 PM

hey, have a look at this version of basically the same list.

i think the individual cities are not that important to show the 'POWER' of each country, but here you see the real surprises. or not?

greetings - heinz -

- UK All ---------------- 61957.25
- USA ------------------- 61244.18
- China All ------------- 20263.50
- Switzerland All ------- 17376.06
- Poland ---------------- 17162.52
- Germany --------------- 14821.60
- Canada ---------------- 14684.37
- France All ------------ 14331.94
- Australia All --------- 12194.59
- Italy All -------------- 9280.68
- Israel All ------------- 7546.44
- Denmark All ------------ 6492.43
- Belgium All ------------ 6188.84
- Spain All -------------- 6063.45
- Argentina All ---------- 6046.20
- Brazil Rio + S Paulo --- 5064.02
- Netherlands ------------ 3706.05
- Greece All ------------- 3380.40
- Mexico Mexico City ----- 2607.25
- Sweden ----------------- 2507.15
- Hungary All ------------ 2479.27
- Norway ----------------- 2103.65
- Portugal --------------- 1956.05
- Ireland Dublin --------- 1794.63
- Bulgaria Sofia --------- 1679.05
- Venezuela Caracas ------ 1497.28

well, on my file and in the preview this looked perfectly aligned, now it looks more like a belly-dancer. maybe because it is saturday?

Reply from heinz57g on Jun 25, 2006 - 10:05 AM

dean, it is such a relaxed sunday, hardly any interestings football or F1 on TV, so might it not be
a good idea to have this listing updated once more? i think many 'directions' have changed, and the
general emphasis moved. are we in for surprises?

again, try pls not to split between regions or cities in a country. showing shanghai seperate from
china, or sydney as an extra of australia, makes little sense in this connection.

or is all this just the press of a single button, some split seconds away, in your system?

greetings - heinz -

Reply from gray on Jun 25, 2006 - 10:32 AM

Greetings Heinz

The updated info is here in glorious technicolour

http://www.voipuser.org/analytics/

Reply from heinz57g on Jun 25, 2006 - 11:01 AM

glorious color, yes. poland being a strong 3rd, yes. but china vanishing alltogether, completely?
australia? switzerland and isreael? hard to believe.

a simple number listing, like the above 3up, not ending after position 10 or thereabouts, could figure
out if for example cities (shanghai, bejing, more) were separated, and only together would put china
into the right position.

technical routing statisics might show one thing, and might be right. splitting china into 7 sections,
and then accounting each seperately, makes just no sense.

suggestion then: count each state in the USA individually, and they will fall back to position 52 through
280, where they belong anyhow (damn, i can't find my smilie for this one).

have a look at the very first entry in this post, and sixth posting, and see the difference. 56 entries
became 26, no adding any new country.

so, back to you. or to me, if you let me have the plain lists and i will put countries together again.

or best: over to dean! don't tell me his mom is doing sunday dinner again?

greetings - heinz -

Reply from dean on Jun 25, 2006 - 01:58 PM

Quote:

but china vanishing alltogether, completely? australia? switzerland and isreael? hard to believe.

Yup, that's the current top 10.

Can't really warrant spending any more time on the analytics stuff at the moment - we have more important stuff to do

Quote:

is all this just the press of a single button, some split seconds away, in your system?

No. Otherwise I'd probably automate the above output daily... it's also incredibly CPU intensive running these queries, so the less the better.

I'll do another like the above at the end of the year.

Dean

Reply from heinz57g on Jun 25, 2006 - 06:35 PM

>> Yup, that's the current top 10

pity that online betting is not permitted in the forum: i would bet a bottle of wine that it is not.
it is probably a list like the very first one in this post, seperating beijing, shanghai, guangzhou,
mobile, china proper, zhengzou, baoan xian into individual accounts, and only if you would add them
up, you would end up with a real CHINA total.

>> I'll do another like the above at the end of the year

suggestion: you just email me the plain ASCII listing as you did it i the very entry in this posting,
and i'll sort it out, add them up properly, and post it here.

THEN you would see to which countries your calls really go.

greetings - heinz -

Reply from dean on Jun 26, 2006 - 12:22 AM

Nope, that's the real picture. The analytics page is grouped by Country dial code, not groups on the switch as the above list is (which is why some states got divided up).

Dean

Reply from heinz57g on Jun 26, 2006 - 01:42 AM

then (a) you get a bottle of wine, and (b) i am more than baffled: till fall last year CHINA/SWITZERLAND/
POLAND were about in the same (2nd) group, both CHINA and SWITZERLAND now having totally vanished?

GERMANY/CANADA/FRANCE/AUSTRALIA again were in a third strong group, which now turns upside down
and totally kicks out the entire australia?

if correct, what has changed so extremely in your user group? or their dialing habits? must be more than
a switch of girl/boyfriends? any ideas?

greetings - heinz -

Reply from dean on Jun 26, 2006 - 09:02 AM

Quote:

any ideas?

Yes, the above included routings originating from the PSTN.
The analytics page doesn't, hence the analytics page presents the more interesting statistics.
Dean

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